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#2213 - 09/05/10 01:53 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: muziqman]
aliernest Offline
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@muqizman: agree! FCB1010 is great for live. Heard many good things esp with the UNO chips. I personally am satisfied with the stock FCB1010 even without the UNO mod.

@Zenguitar: Yes, i do also connect to both mixer and speaker cab. Might be a problem when the master mixer is far away from the stage..
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#2215 - 09/05/10 09:55 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: aliernest]
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Used my 11R last night at a gig, around 700 people which was good. I did notice something a little worrying though, some of my rigs sounded quite harsh and 1 of my solo rigs sounded over processed and really tonal (not in a good way). Any of you guys got any suggestions?

My set up is, 11R connected to PA desk using the 2 XLR main outputs, no amp or cabs on stage. Hope you can help....

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#2217 - 09/05/10 11:43 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: Maddmatt]
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@aliernest: I'm not following you when you say might be a problem when the master mixer is far away, do you mean your XLR's can't reach or the 11R is with the mixer?

@Maddmatt: What I found this past friday night running direct is that some of the simulated mics sounded like absolute crap and some sounded normal. But I mentioned in another thread that I feel you have to get setup with the PA and then spend time working on your sound that way. I'm going to make some more attempts at going direct, but my gut feeling is that I'll be ultimately better off and more consistent gig to gig by running into a tube power amp out to speaker cabs and using a real mic. I am going to duplicate my banks so that I can have ones without cab/mic sim and then ones with.

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#2227 - 09/06/10 03:06 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: Zenguitar]
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@Zenguitar: Maybe it is just me but when the master mixer is far away from the stage (which is usually the case) the sound does change a bit (signal loss?). This might be purely percieved difference tho - in that case I think I ran 20+m cables to the mixer. Had better experience having 1 more mixer on the stage...
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#2228 - 09/06/10 04:38 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: Zenguitar]
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I did think it might be the mic's in the 11R or where the EQ is in the signal chain, going to have a play around today and then test it out tomorrow in the studio.

Need to listen to the FOH recording we took from the desk to see if its all in my head lol.....

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#2231 - 09/06/10 11:07 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: aliernest]
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Originally Posted By: aliernest
@Zenguitar: Maybe it is just me but when the master mixer is far away from the stage (which is usually the case) the sound does change a bit (signal loss?). This might be purely percieved difference tho - in that case I think I ran 20+m cables to the mixer. Had better experience having 1 more mixer on the stage...


That wouldn't happen with the XLR direct outs. You could run XLR cables for 60 meters without a problem. If you were running the Amp Outs to a mixer with regular TS cables, then yes definitely you would have signal loss at that length.

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#2235 - 09/07/10 03:52 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: Zenguitar]
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Hey!

ive got som questions about live equipment for eleven rack,

so, im trying to get som money and buy a live setup to myself including the eleven rack(wich i own already) i was thinking of this: Voodoo lab ground control pro, 2 x M-audio expression pedals and a Framus 2x12 CAB but im wondering do i NEED a power amplifier to get some sound out of the cab with the eleven rack? incase i need so i was hoping if you could recommend something because im not so good at those things.. and my budget is not that big so : D

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#2236 - 09/07/10 04:44 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: bikmajava]
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If you want to use a cab you will need a power amp to drive it, something like the Marshall Valvestate 8008 would do nicely..

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#2242 - 09/07/10 11:25 AM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: Maddmatt]
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@Zenguitar: Good to know thanks!

@bikmajava: there are a lot of choices for poweramp..Marshall; Mesa Boogie; ADA; VHT; Randall; Carvin; ART etc. Depends on your tone choice; solid state vs tube; $; and preference on 1U or 2U or more... I give much weight to portability to I do stick to 1U poweramps.
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#2243 - 09/07/10 12:04 PM Re: Live rig sharing [Re: aliernest]
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well, first of all, thanks for answering my question guys!

yeah, ok, well i like tube tones thats for sure.. so would the marshall valvestate 8008 be the poweramp for me? i read some things about it and its not so expensive so i thought it would be good maybe?


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